USAA Has SOLD All of Our Mortgages!

I have a both my primary Mortgage, originated in 2002, with a refinance in 2013, as well as a 10 year old Home Equity Loan, with USAA Bank.  I have not been happy—AT ALL—with USAA’s decision several years ago, to contract-out the “servicing” on the loan to “NationStar”, a subsidiary of “Mr. Cooper”.   I have received absolutely terrible customer service from them.  I have had MANY problems with them, more than once having to get USAA to intervene.  They make mistakes and it takes so many, many calls, many, many transfers, etc, to try to get them to correct their own errors.  They allocate payments incorrectly.  For several years they had contradictory information on the monthly statements they send out (yes, I brought this up and pointed it out to both NationStar and USAA).  It was well over a year later before I saw the statements corrected.  They charge fees inappropriately.  When I literally found MATH errors—I’m talking addition and subtraction errors, folks—on my statements, the only response I can get, after several reps tell me “oh, the computer does that”, or “I don’t know why the computer would do that” (I sure the heck know why: garbage in, garbage out—programming errors!), I finally get a supervisor who tells me the proverbial “I’ll send a message to the appropriate unit and they’ll look into it”.  If they were honest they might as well say, “thank you for bringing this to our attention, I will promptly route this to File 13!” (for those not aware, File 13 is the garbage can).  They do not follow-up when they say they will, or should.  It can be Impossible to get them to call you back, or talk to a rep who has the knowledge, ability and authority to correct any errors or just do the right thing.  I could go on.  I have told reps from USAA when I have had to get them to intervene, and even put in writing in a complaint about NationStar, that when the contract with NationStar expires, I really, really hope USAA resumes the servicing of their own mortgages, or at least finds a company with integrity, who has an attentive, efficient, accountable and competent customer service department, to no avail.  I have told USAA that I am honestly surprised that they would select such a company, with so many complaints and problems (just do an internet search…).  Over the years, I’ve had to learn to live with dealing with NationStar, but at least I had the comfort of knowing that USAA was there to intervene when I could not get anywhere with them.

Now it’s May, 2022, and I find out that USAA has SOLD all of our mortgage loans (and eventually the home equity loans as well), to NationStar’s parent company: Mr. Cooper!  I am so disappointed, even upset, that USAA would do this.  To make matters worse, when I went to make my mortgage payment yesterday, I find that I can no longer use the USAA website to do so.  When I asked it that functionality would be restored in the future, I was told “no, USAA no longer has anything to do with your loan”.  Not only that, but ALL historical info on the loan is GONE—no way to access it.  USAA did not even give us the curtesy of advanced notice of this, so we could have printed out the info if we wanted to.  Lord knows we may need it for future problems with Mr. Cooper, who I have no doubt will tell us they have zero access to anything that has ever happened with our loans in the past.  I feel really, really sorry for anyone who is in the middle of getting anything resolved with NationStar right now.  I took me OVER A YEAR, even with USAA’s intervention, to resolve one of my problems (match more serious than the incorrect/inaccurate billing statements).  I can’t even tell you how many hours I spent on the phone about it.  I eventually resorted to putting it all in writing, partly due to frustration, and partly because I wanted a record of it (note to all: if you have any problems with your loan, keep GOOD records, including the date, time, name, and job title of EVERY person you talk to, what questions you asked and what answers you got—you may need it!).   In fact, after a frustrating YEAR of dealing with them, I finally resulted to calling a Texas state agency, and researching my options with federal banking regulatory agencies, so I was informed of my rights and their responsibilities, and making both USAA and NationStar aware of this fact,  before my issue was finally resolved.  
I am beyond disappointed with USAA’s decision, and irritated that I will be on my own going forward when dealing with “Mr. Cooper”.  As an Air Force brat, who has lived in San Antonio, Texas for over 40 years, with both a Mother-in -Law and spouse who worked for USAA in the past (the “good old days”), boy, do I miss General McDermott and his leadership and philosophy.  USAA has not been the same since he left, and their questionable decision-making seems to have accelerated in the past few years.

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I only found out today when I logged in and noticed 0 balance on my loan.  Funny enough, just made my payment Monday with no notice or issue.  Also, I haven't received any information written or via email that a transfer of my loan has even taken place.  I did notice they couldn't wait to clear out the Escrow account though.

I have a both my primary Mortgage, originated in 2002, with a refinance in 2013, as well as a 10 year old Home Equity Loan, with USAA Bank.  I have not been happy—AT ALL—with USAA’s decision several years ago, to contract-out the “servicing” on the loan to “NationStar”, a subsidiary of “Mr. Cooper”.   I have received absolutely terrible customer service from them.  I have had MANY problems with them, more than once having to get USAA to intervene.  They make mistakes and it takes so many, many calls, many, many transfers, etc, to try to get them to correct their own errors.  They allocate payments incorrectly.  For several years they had contradictory information on the monthly statements they send out (yes, I brought this up and pointed it out to both NationStar and USAA).  It was well over a year later before I saw the statements corrected.  They charge fees inappropriately.  When I literally found MATH errors—I’m talking addition and subtraction errors, folks—on my statements, the only response I can get, after several reps tell me “oh, the computer does that”, or “I don’t know why the computer would do that” (I sure the heck know why: garbage in, garbage out—programming errors!), I finally get a supervisor who tells me the proverbial “I’ll send a message to the appropriate unit and they’ll look into it”.  If they were honest they might as well say, “thank you for bringing this to our attention, I will promptly route this to File 13!” (for those not aware, File 13 is the garbage can).  They do not follow-up when they say they will, or should.  It can be Impossible to get them to call you back, or talk to a rep who has the knowledge, ability and authority to correct any errors or just do the right thing.  I could go on.  I have told reps from USAA when I have had to get them to intervene, and even put in writing in a complaint about NationStar, that when the contract with NationStar expires, I really, really hope USAA resumes the servicing of their own mortgages, or at least finds a company with integrity, who has an attentive, efficient, accountable and competent customer service department, to no avail.  I have told USAA that I am honestly surprised that they would select such a company, with so many complaints and problems (just do an internet search…).  Over the years, I’ve had to learn to live with dealing with NationStar, but at least I had the comfort of knowing that USAA was there to intervene when I could not get anywhere with them.

Now it’s May, 2022, and I find out that USAA has SOLD all of our mortgage loans (and eventually the home equity loans as well), to NationStar’s parent company: Mr. Cooper!  I am so disappointed, even upset, that USAA would do this.  To make matters worse, when I went to make my mortgage payment yesterday, I find that I can no longer use the USAA website to do so.  When I asked it that functionality would be restored in the future, I was told “no, USAA no longer has anything to do with your loan”.  Not only that, but ALL historical info on the loan is GONE—no way to access it.  USAA did not even give us the curtesy of advanced notice of this, so we could have printed out the info if we wanted to.  Lord knows we may need it for future problems with Mr. Cooper, who I have no doubt will tell us they have zero access to anything that has ever happened with our loans in the past.  I feel really, really sorry for anyone who is in the middle of getting anything resolved with NationStar right now.  I took me OVER A YEAR, even with USAA’s intervention, to resolve one of my problems (match more serious than the incorrect/inaccurate billing statements).  I can’t even tell you how many hours I spent on the phone about it.  I eventually resorted to putting it all in writing, partly due to frustration, and partly because I wanted a record of it (note to all: if you have any problems with your loan, keep GOOD records, including the date, time, name, and job title of EVERY person you talk to, what questions you asked and what answers you got—you may need it!).   In fact, after a frustrating YEAR of dealing with them, I finally resulted to calling a Texas state agency, and researching my options with federal banking regulatory agencies, so I was informed of my rights and their responsibilities, and making both USAA and NationStar aware of this fact,  before my issue was finally resolved.  
I am beyond disappointed with USAA’s decision, and irritated that I will be on my own going forward when dealing with “Mr. Cooper”.  As an Air Force brat, who has lived in San Antonio, Texas for over 40 years, with both a Mother-in -Law and spouse who worked for USAA in the past (the “good old days”), boy, do I miss General McDermott and his leadership and philosophy.  USAA has not been the same since he left, and their questionable decision-making seems to have accelerated in the past few years.

Hello. This is very concerning to read, and certainly not the experience we want our valued members to have. I apologize you had a negative experience with Nationstar Mortgage in the past. USAA's executive management team made the decision to sell mortgage servicing rights on all new and existing loans so we can focus on serving our members and offering them a broader range of products. Because of the servicing transfer, you will no longer be able to access your mortgage information on the USAA website since your mortgage loan was transferred to Mr. Cooper. In order to access your mortgage loan, you will either need to contact Mr. Cooper directly, or go directly to the Mr. Cooper website. Once you set up your online account with Mr. Cooper, you can set up an "external" mortgage account through the "Add Account" feature at USAA.com or mobile app using your Mr. Cooper online account credentials. This feature allows you to view the external mortgage balance on USAA.com. If you need any assistance with this process, please contact USAA's website support team. Our executive management team made this decision with the USAA mission and best interests of our membership in mind. The sale of mortgage portfolios to servicing companies who specialize in those services is a common industry practice. Moving in this direction ensures that USAA can continue to focus on our core products and services. Aligning with the industry in this way helps USAA maintain our financial strength while remaining competitive. I understand that this is something newer for our membership, just know that we truly have your best interest in mind when making these decisions. If you have any further questions, please contact your new mortgage servicer, Mr. Cooper. 

 

If you would like me to file a complaint with USAA on your behalf, please PM your phone number/email address so I can locate your membership profile. Thank you for trusting USAA and I hope you have a blessed evening! 

 

LSHLSH lays out a very compelling narrative about issues with mortgages originally offered by USAA. I find this part of your reply ironic: "USAA's executive management team made the decision to sell mortgage servicing rights on all new and existing loans so we can focus on serving our members and offering them a broader range of products." So, mortgage servicing is separate and distinct from serving members? Anyway, what I really wanted to know is when did the executive management team make this decision, and was board support unanimous.

I would like to point out that although my “official notice” of this change specifically states it is the SERVICING that is being transferred to Mr Cooper, as the servicing was transferred to NationStar, in 2016, as stated above, I have discovered that it is the actual LOAN that was sold to Mr Cooper, not just the “servicing” of the loan.   Since 2016, USAA Bank was still the owner of the loan, which enabled me to get USAA’s assistance with problems I was unable to get resolved through many, many contacts with NationStar, and also allowed me to access my loan, escrow info, etc, including historical data, through USAA’s website.  Because USAA no longer owns the actual loan, that access, as well as the historical info on the loan, is now gone.  By the way, I have had need to access historical loan info during my problems with NationStar.  

I am aware that I can add “outside” accounts to my USAA website profile, though I am not comfortable using that feature, as there are usually several days of delays before updates appear in the accounts, and I am not comfortable with linking accounts at outside institutions with USAA, as that exponentially increases the risk and possible impact of any security breaches.     I wonder if USAA has decided that offering mortgage loans is no longer “profitable”?  The past 20 years, especially during the banking crash in 2008/2009, I have heard many horror stories from friends and coworkers about their mortgage loans being sold to other institutions, and problems they have had due to this.  I would always think, and sometimes say, how glad I was to have my mortgage with USAA, as USAA had never sold my loan, and I was glad that I did not have to go through that.  I used to think I would not have to go through that with a USAA loan.  Obviously, I was wrong.  

 

USAA needs to realize that there are many banking and insurance options out there to choose from.  Most members are loyal to USAA because we appreciate the integrity and respect shown to us, and the high level customer service USAA has been known for in the past (such as using call centers based in the United States—USAA’s attempt to outsource to call centers in foreign lands was a disaster and, fortunately, quickly abandoned).

 

I am also not happy that, per the notice of change I received, it appears it is MY responsibility to notify USAA, with whom I have my homeowners insurance with, that USAA has sold my loan, and to whom.  Apparently, it is also MY responsibility to prove to Mr Cooper that I notified USAA that my USAA insurance has been notified that USAA no longer holds the note, and who does own it.  In addition, it is apparently MY responsibility to notify all the parties involved when and where to send my escrowed USAA insurance and my property tax payments to, and where the insurance and tax bills should be sent.  None of this was an issue when NationStar took over only the servicing of my loan.  it seems to me that when a bank profits by selling mortgage loans it owns to another entity, it should be that profiting bank’s responsibility to notify the interested parties, such as the homeowners insurance (especially when it is the SAME institution), and the property tax authority that the note has been sold, and to whom, as well as notifying the new note holder that this has been done, and where to send future escrow bills and payouts.  I wonder how many times USAA mortgage holders will be put through this experience, when “Mr Cooper”, and subsequent loan owners, decide to sell the note again?  It seems clear that any “advantages ” us members might feel doing business with USAA, are quickly diminishing.

Absolutely no way I would let this "version" of USAA have anything to do with a mortgage.  I would refinance the loans immediately.